Urbex n00b may have cost us a site.
No doubt if you are into Urbex you have already come across the story in the news at the moment about the X-Rays etc found at Law hospital in Carluke, near Edinburgh. Whilst I can appreciate that the X-Rays being there is not a good thing, talking to the press about it and making a national story of it is most definitely not the way to handle it. If he was genuinely concerned for the confidentiality of the information then he should have simply notified the NHS and not discussed it at all with the press.
Some guy who is seemingly new to Urbex (I’m basing this assumption on him only having two sets on his flickr, both of the same site) wanted himself a little bit of fame and glory by having a picture published by the BBC, and then managed to royally stick his size 9′s in his big mouth and get the local NHS in uproar about the site, have them searching it and will probably lead to a tightening of the security at this location.
To quote him directly: “Ring Ring, it’s the BBC on the phone. They tell me they want to do a photo gallery of the hospital using my pics, and it will feature info on urbex, a little about me and the camera, etc etc. I was naturally chuffed, absolutely ecstatic in fact.“ If you are into Urbex for the fame and glory, then you should quite frankly fuck right off and go audition for X-Factor or something if you cant keep your mouth shut and must have your little bit of fame. That majority of us are into it for the love of the buildings, their history, their architecture and the pleasure of being there and photographing it ourselves, not if we can get 5 minutes of fame by having one of our pics on a site.
More quote from this guy:
Throughout the course of the convo, he asks various questions. What type of camera do you use, how long you been into this, have I plans for any other urbex stuff, and finally, the question which resulted in my foot being jammed halfway down my throat, how many photos do I have.
I excitably tell him, ‘I have loads of photos. Some of them are totally unreal too, peoples X-Rays and stuff’. At that point his tone changed, and he put me on hold. About a minute later, he explains to me that he wants to “extend” the feature, but needs to get permission from his editor. I say cool, and we end the call.
Ring Ring, it’s the BBC on the phone, again. This time, a girl, a journalist, and she wants to interview me on the telephone. I agree, and after a few photography related questions, I get the security issues thrown at me.
Do you think security was sufficient?
Nope.
Did you ever see security inside the building?
Nope.
Do you think it would be easy for kids to access?
I guess so.
How surprised were you to find X rays and other personal files.
Surprised I guess? I would have thought it would have all been shipped to the new hospital, or destroyed.
Anyhoo! After several other phonecalls from the original chap who called (who apparently still wants to run the photo feature), and from some of his colleagues, I agreed to be interviewed on site…and whilst I think I have probably ruined this place for photographers in the short term, I hope maybe something good comes out of this.
I really hope for my own sake, the original caller does see some merit in the photos I took. It would suck to have been duped into what is simply a page filler due to slow news. The fact that my photos had nothing personal in them leads me to believe he was originally genuine, and it was my admission to the x rays etc which led to their story.
I am both excited that a wider audience MAY get to see my photos for what they are, and very nervous about any comeback from all this. I dunno if i have done the right thing or not, time will tell.
The amount of self involvement, excite at possibly seeing his name on the BBC with a photo and disregard for other photographers and Urbexers absolutely disgusts me, this is the kind of selfish retard that the hobby definitely does not need. Its thanks to selfish actions like this that sites are continually getting locked down, harder to access and in some extreme cases even bulldozed to prevent further access.
To realise the interview is now taking a completely different angle, and yet still continue to give information that will compromise the site is just idiotic, and then to compound this by going to do an on site interview tells me in no uncertain terms that this guy is more interested in his 15 minutes of fame than he ever was about the patients who’s records are laying at site.
I have previously been to Law myself on two occasions, took plenty of photographs there and thoroughly enjoyed the explore, but you don’t see me blabbing info to the BBC that could lead to the Urbex community losing the site. I have done interviews in the past with journalists about Urbex, and will no doubt do them in the future, but I’m quite certain that at no time would I be stupid and self involved enough to give any information that could compromise a site simply so that i can get my name in lights.
His Flickr page can be found here if you wan’t to go and leave him some comments.
~Shepy
UPDATE: Aww, it seems that poor Gary isn’t too keen on the attention he is getting from the urbex community on this, as he is actively censoring comments left on his flickr page about it.
~Shepy
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about 3 years ago
Get a grip – boo hoo you can’t stroll into this site anymore. Any photographer would be happy to get some shots published on the BBC website – from reading your quotes from him he clearly isn’t an urbex but just someone who found that place and took some cool photos. The BBC have turned it into a story and I am glad that they have, who knows what other confidential info is just knocking about in other places. Seriously though….how do you get so worked up about something like this? Jeez.
about 3 years ago
You come across as a complete elitist arsehole for critisizing him like this.
As a photographer i’m embarrassed to be associated with people like you.
about 3 years ago
This guy is an attention seeking tw@t. Why didnt he just go to the NHS? Nope that would have been way too easy so instead he goes to the press. Look at me, I am such a hero, I found all this stuff. he probably planted half the evidence there anyway. He is a total attention seeking half wit and I hope he is no longer welcome in the photographic community.
Boley
about 3 years ago
Guys,
This is from the bottom of my heart, I am absolutely and whole heartedly sorry for any negative press I have brought to your hobby. Urban Exploration is a new one on me, it’s not something I know much about, and its not something I have seen a lot of. It is something I would like to engage in going forward, and I have plans to visit more sites, with a brand new outlook.
With regards to the story and how it broke. I submitted my images for inclusion in the “Scotland in Pictures” section on the BBC news site, as I thouht they were genuinly different enough to get one of them included.
I received a call, and was interviewed on the phone, offered some kind of photo gallery, and naturally I was ecstatic! At this point, I had no idea the angle in which the story would be covered.
When it became clear what was being done, it was really too late for me to back track. I have made my bed, and I must lie in it. Please believe me when I say, I am genuinly a cool guy with a love for photography, I had no idea this Story was going to be this big, and I really do mean that.
I have had a hell of a lot of personal threats and abuse in email, and I literally scared to venture out my door. I am feeling sick to the stomach with nerves, and if I could turn the clock back, I would.
I would appreciate a bit of slack, I have made a mistake and I will trully have to live with it until this media uproar blows over.
Hope this reaches you,
Gary.
about 3 years ago
And I suppose you have never made a mistake in your life or done something you regret?
Must be wonderfull being so perfect
about 3 years ago
Just to add one more thing, the site is being demolished imminently for flats etc. It was a goner. I am sorry though to have ruined it for anyone who wanted a last minute look around.
Gary.
about 3 years ago
Seems a little harsh, have you ever worked with journalists?
The site is about to be demolished so you’ve hardly lost anywhere to explore.
about 3 years ago
Give the guy a break.
HE never made a national story about the xrays (or the personal reports or the personal medical records lying about).
HE is an extremely keen (and rather good) AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHER and got some quality shots of a place that quite frankly appears to be open to the public. Irrespective of subject, can you honestly say that you’ve never want your photo’s critiqued or published.
What’s the point in taking photos if no-one ever sees them….
Where’s the fun in urbex if you can just walk on site anyway….
He didn’t blab, he was milked……
Fuckwit
about 3 years ago
You arrogant stuck up fucker, leave this on your website then!
Or are you just another twat who doesn’t mind their details left lying around…
Get a life – knob head!
about 3 years ago
UPDATE: Aww, it seems that poor Gary isn’t too keen on the attention he is getting from the urbex community on this, as he is actively censoring comments left on his flickr page about it.
~Shepy
Seems strange to find you complaining about this yet comments on your Blog are submitetd to you for moderation
about 3 years ago
You dear fellow, have no clue what you’re talking about. The guy in question is a genuine nice guy. You make too many assumptions, and read too much into what he says.
Pull your head out of your arse. Arse.
about 3 years ago
Maybe you need to review the BBC Broadcast. Although the NHS will be royally po’d about this, they only have themselves to blame.
You need to appreciate that the tog that published his photos was innocently and rightly pleased with the shots he had, and like many other “urbex” togs had published them online for review, critique and that general feel good feeling.
Even by the BBC’s own admission, thy were already in posession of reportable deficencies in NHS/Secutrity protocols. Unfortunately it was the togs pictures that caused the story to have focus.
So you lost a potential site – How much of a buzz did you get when you just walked in, rather than having to be creative to gain entry.
Give the guy a break, he’s not done anything anyone else hasn’t done except maybe been taken for a twat by some overzealous journalist. Wouldn’t be the first tim and will definitely not be the last……..
about 3 years ago
Don’t seem to be many comments here:
I know I submitted three, and a couple of other people I know have submitted one a piece….
Get a grip – Don’t give it the big I am when posting sarcastic updates about modding comments when you yourself are doing the exact same thing to a much greater degree.
about 3 years ago
lawl. get out more.
about 3 years ago
What a fucking knob jockey.
about 3 years ago
Sorry but what has been lost here really other than the fact a site which has planning permission for housing approved is a bit hot until all the publicity dies down. I mean isn’t the challenge of taking photos in hard to get to places part of the attraction as well?
So some people need to grow up a little and realise that a lot of us if we found confidential records lying about a site might report it. Whatever point of contact he reported this to the site would have been hot and if this had been kept quiet by the NHS a lot of urbex visitors might have run into the police or security unawares.
You might not agree with what he did, how he did it but would you have preferred walking into a group of police or security without realising it if the NHS had swept this under the carpet, increasing security without anyone knowing. With a real chance of an arrest and a charge due to the NHS being embarrassed over their shocking clean up job.
The site is now hot but knowing the usual lax security after the heat and publicity dies down the site might still be accessible in time again. With maybe a little bit more of a challenge to access under someones nose.
about 3 years ago
“UPDATE: Aww, it seems that poor Gary isn’t too keen on the attention he is getting from the urbex community on this, as he is actively censoring comments left on his flickr page about it.”
I bet this doesn’t get published.
What Gary did was protect hundreds of Scottish residents in the area with their details. You said yourself you’ve been to Law, so how many other idiots have been there? How many aren’t law abiding?
Enough to have all these personal details sold on.
You know what’s really disgusting?
You, Shepy, posting this kind of shit.
about 3 years ago
All i can say is what a prick what happened to slipping in and out unnoticed. if you get pinged by a security guard doing his job ten fair play but running to the press….Shrugs.
about 3 years ago
Number 1, Trespass is a civil offence not a crinimal one, you can’t get a criminal record for tresspass. It’s up to the landowner to sue not security guards etc.
Number 2, The first thing Gary should have done if he’d found the confidential patients records is to go to the NHS, after all, it’s THEIR JOB to completely clear the site of confidential records of patients, that should have been their FIRST PRIORITY.
Number 3, The press shouldn’t have been contacted, UNLESS he had been to the NHS a few times, then AND ONLY THEN, should he have gone down a different route.
Everyone in the world knows that journalists tell you they are going to report something so you open up more, then when they get back to the office, they edit it so it seems you are up to no good, or out to destroy something. Plus when the chavs, pikey’s read it (if of course they can actually read, they may only look at pictures :) ) they will go into the said site and start setting fire to the records, etc.
I think that covers everything at the moment.
I, like thousands of other Urban Explorers, have a motto, Take only pictures, leave only footprints. We don’t break into sites, that is breaking and entering, which is a 100% no no. We take pictures and put up reports to document our history and heritage before it is gone forever. This shouldn’t be made more different by idiots going to the press!!!
Cheers Shepy, excellent blog, ignore these idiots who are making idiotic comments and no nothing of urban exploration.
:) Sal
about 3 years ago
Sinnerman,
I did not run to the press, I submitted a photo for inclusion in a weekly photo gallery.
Boley,
Attention seeking twat? isn’t that photography is all about, taking photos and showing the world? Yup, I seek attention.
Fuckwit,
The Internet has personal details all over it, mine included. The world has moved in, and good or bad, I doubt anyone can trully hide their identity 100% when online. All it takes is one slip up before your known.
Cuban Bloodhound,
Constructive :)
about 3 years ago
And one last thing, I do fully plan to get into Urban Photography in a big way. I had a blast at law with other photographers with the same interest, and I already have 7 or 8 locations in the pipeline. I might not be in your club, but I sure hell won’t shy away from trying to get the best photos I can, and I will continue to post them online, and share them with friends and family.
I will NOT be submitting them to any news sites, personal details found or not.
Guys, have you ever lost a wallet? Sucks ehh, that worry that people could use the info to your disadvantage. Same thing with medical records, if not worse. They should not be left for anyone to find.
Gary.
about 3 years ago
Gary,
Can’t you see why people are annoyed? Too many times we’ve been classed as breaking an entering, thieves, etc. We take only pictures, leave only footprints, we don’t talk to to the press, they twist things and lie and turn them into something else, all of which aren’t true. They are in it for they’re own ends. To get more readers/viewers.
Learn from your mistakes. Pretty simple really.
:) Sal
ps, Tresspass is a civil offence, not a criminal one. You can only be sued by the land owner, no one else. Security guards cannot make you delete your pictures, they can only ask you to leave the site.
about 3 years ago
It is the NHS’s reponsibility to remove all confidential files, patients records, x-rays, everything. It is up to you, to report it to the NHS, not the press. If they don’t do anything, report it to them again, if they still don’t do anything, then report both the files and the NHS to the Member of Parliament in charge, again, not to the press. If one section doesn’t do anything, you continue to report it higher up the scale, until something is done about it, and all records etc removed.
about 3 years ago
It’s so easy to be condemning and know exactly what someone should do after the fact…if only we should all be so perfect beforehand! Gary made a genuine mistake, although to be honest, I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. Many, many of us have talked to the press in one way or another, been interviewed or had our photos published in some way. Who’s to say how it’s going to turn out? In my case, it was an advantage, in other cases, who knows? I honestly don’t think we should come over all high and mighty, just because of one outcome such as this. And it certainly isn’t worth threatening the poor guy with or haranging him. That kind of behaviour is a much worse crime, imo.
about 3 years ago
Sal,
I didn’t report the story to the press, I submitted my images to the photo gallery “Scotland in pictures” and at that point, it was too late. I had no idea there was a story in this.
I can definately see why people are annoyed to be fair, however I did not deliberately create this media frenzy.
One thing I should add, since this story broke, I have had a look at various posts on various Urbex forums. A lot of your peers openly admit to stealing confidential information, so your community cannot claim to be whiter than white.
Gary.
about 3 years ago
Just face it mate your a cunt at the end of the day taking all the glory and ruining it for other isnt what urbex is about and its wankers like you that put the rest of us off, running to the media like a fucking goon, go play in the traffic do us a favour
about 3 years ago
Shepy, you are completely right in waht you are saying. I hope this guy inhaled a fucking wad of asbestos in the place, see how long his 15minutes of fame lasts with asbestosis!
about 3 years ago
Isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing and I’m sure that mushcan and Defcon were beginners at UrbEx at some stage. maybe if they offered something constructive instead of “playing with traffic” or “inhaling asbestos” then it may help some other poor soul being sold out by the media. TBH its comments like these that really give the hobby the worst name. Ok, so he may have been a tad misguided and naive but surely the stakes of the challenge have been upped for still gaining access without detection … and who isn’t up for a challenge ???
about 3 years ago
I’m proud of the fact that I go exploring and most people know what I do for happy times. It’s a part of me and who I am and well I can’t forever stare at people blankly when they ask what I do given I don’t go out drinking etc.
However, I don’t trust the press at the best of times so there’s no danger of me running to the press and yapping. As I said to a guy I know in US, the media is like radiation: a little coverage can do some good in some cases in the same way that a little radiation can be used to kill a tumour. However, too much coverage can utterly destroy things a bit like landing a big nuke somewhere. A shit analogy but it amused my mate. =P
A lot of people cannot resist fame and glory and I doubt this person was any different. He probably didn’t think of the consequences or was genuinely unaware. I can’t condone his actions one bit but he gave in to a classic human weakness. I’m as annoyed as anyone else that he has destroyed what may have become a potential playground for me and/or other urbexers but as he was so new to it all did he really know that he was causing any problems?
about 3 years ago
S1zzler, I wouldn’t say that this is about being a ‘beginner’. You obviously have a sense of elitism that I do not posess.
I wouldn’t say my comment gives the ‘hobby’ a bad name, I would say that the negative press that Urbex receives without proper and just, justification is what gives Urban Exploration a bad name as opposed to comments that are aimed at one person only, and not an entire community.
Am I pissed that a well known and documented site (and one that I personally believe to be one of the best in the central belt) ‘may’ get locked down? Yeah. But it’s not that thats the problem, Law Hospital has more holes than a sieve, and regardless of what security measures are in place, we’ll get through. What really annoys me is the inherent dis-regard to which he has shown all others with the same interests as him, even after the events and ‘discussions’ that he has witnessed.
So S1zzler, I hope that this comment comes accross a tad more favourably to you than my previous post, but at the end of the day, we each have an opinion. And yours is shite.